Discussion:
[Elecraft] K2 compared to ?
Larry - WA2DGD
2005-12-29 20:23:07 UTC
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Hello all,

Like most others on this list, I absolutely love my K2, and I also have
a second rig, kenwood ts-940sat.
The ts940 has been waiting for parts for over 3mos. and I was
considering replacing it.
I would like to know of other list members personal experiences
comparing the K2 receiver to either the Icom 756 pro series, the Knwd
TS2000 or most specifically, the Yaesu FT1000MP MKV Field.
If anyone has any personal experiences comparing the TS940s to the above
mentioned rigs, I'd like to hear if you think its even worth replacing
the 940s.

Happy and Healthy New Year to all.
--
73
Larry
WA2DGD
Dan Barker
2005-12-29 20:39:51 UTC
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Don't forget to consider a second K2. You won't be dissappointed.

Dan / WG4S / K2 #2456

ps: Seriously, you don't memtion WHY you want another rig. Other bands?
General Coverage? Larger knobs?

<snip>
I would like to know of other list members personal experiences
comparing the K2 receiver to either the Icom 756 pro series, the Knwd
TS2000 or most specifically, the Yaesu FT1000MP MKV Field.
</snip>
Dave Sublette
2005-12-29 20:44:25 UTC
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Larry,

You have just explained the very reason that I have sold all of my Japanese
radios. Service is expensive and slow. I now have all American made, and
for the most part built myself from kits equipment. I would highly
recommend the TenTec line of gear. The Jupiter or a used OMNI VI+ would
work nicely. I also like the Orion and am ordering one at the end of
January. But that radio is pricey and I am at that dangerous stage in
life. I'm getting old and I'm trying to spend it all before I go :-).....

The folks at Ten Tec have always been easy and efficient to deal with. I
love their radios as much as I love my K2.

I have no financial interest in Ten Tec...
I'm sure others will have different opinions, and they wil be equally valid
to mine

Dave, K4TO
Jim Wiley
2005-12-29 20:53:41 UTC
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Larry -


I owned a pair of Kenwood TS-940 rigs for about 12 years, and was
generally very happy with them. I sold them a couple of years ago and
replaced them with a pair of Yaesu FT-1000 MK V sets (the 200 W version)
, with which I am also quite content. I put the Inrad front-end kit in
the Mark 5's, along with a selection of Inrad filters for various modes
and bandwidths.


The K2 I have has the KDSP2, KNB2, KSB2, KBT2, KIO2, and the 160 meter
kit, but not the 100W amplifier.


The Mark 5 is a lot like the K2 (I only have one of those, HI) in that
the front end is a lot more resistant to overload than was the
'940's. A few operating sessions at the KL7Y contest station
convinced me of the superior performance of the MK 5 over the 940 when
the bands are very crowded and signal levels are high to very high. I
think I like the DSP in the K2 better than the MK 5, mostly because the
K2 DSP can be tweaked and fine tuned, whereas the MK 5 DSP is pretty
much what you see is what you get. The MK 5 DSP works well enough, but
I am sure there are lots of advances in noise reduction algorithms yet
to be discovered.


I generally prefer the K2 when band conditions permit the use of low
power, but the Mark 5 has several operating features that the K2 does
not, and I prefer the MK 5 for day to day use on SSB. I like the K2
better for CW, and it's receiver does have a more "open" sound than the
MK 5. Either rig performs well, and I am sure the differences are
simply a matter of personal preference.


I did like the 940's implementation of passband tuning MUCH more than
the MK 5 version. The 940 "high cut / low cut" selectivity control was
and is much more intuitive, whereas the shift and width controls on the
MK 5 are much harder to figure out. If Elecraft ever considers putting
variable selectivity into a future "K3", then I hope they do it the way
Kenwood did.


The noise blanker for the K2 is adequate. The one in the MK 6 is
better, but the one in the 940 is the best I have seen, even better
than the old Drake R4C I had before I switched to the 940's.


Don't know if this helps, but then again, it was free <grin>


What's wrong with the 940? One of it's huge advantages is that it was
built with discrete parts (mostly) and was very easy to service. Great
for areas that don't have a well stocked parts house in the same town.
The 940 is still a great 2nd rig, and I certainly wouldn't toss it out
if it can be repaired at a reasonable cost.


I have not looked at the Kenwood 2000 or the ICOM 756 series , so cannot
offer anything there.


- Jim, KL7CC
Post by Larry - WA2DGD
Hello all,
Like most others on this list, I absolutely love my K2, and I also
have a second rig, kenwood ts-940sat.
The ts940 has been waiting for parts for over 3mos. and I was
considering replacing it.
I would like to know of other list members personal experiences
comparing the K2 receiver to either the Icom 756 pro series, the Knwd
TS2000 or most specifically, the Yaesu FT1000MP MKV Field.
If anyone has any personal experiences comparing the TS940s to the
above mentioned rigs, I'd like to hear if you think its even worth
replacing the 940s.
Happy and Healthy New Year to all.
Don Nesbitt
2005-12-29 22:03:23 UTC
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Hi Larry. Bet you get a lot of responses to this one! I've had
considerable experience comparing the K2 to other rigs but it's been a long
time since I've had a TS-940S so any comments that I might make trying to
compare it to the K2 would be useless. I do remember that the 940 was a
very nice rig - worked lots of dx under adverse conditions with it and
generally thought very highly of it. I'd probably just repair it!

As to comparing the K2 to other "modern" radios, you might want to read the
review I posted on eHam of my K2/100. Go to:
http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/2357

and look for my review under my call sign: N4HH

I can tell you that the "other" two rigs mentioned (in addition to the
Collins) but not identified are the Icom 756 Pro II (had 2 or them at the
time and a Pro III a bit later) and the Yaesu FT-1000MP Mark V - loaded with
INRAD filters (almost $1000 worth including the roofing filter)!

The other radios are excellent, have many desirable features and present
themselves very well - but - well, check out the review.

Just one person's opinion so YMMV. Now what I really wish is that I could
take the guts of the K2, add a couple of additional features and put it into
a Collins KWM-2 box. To me you just can't beat the aesthetics of the
Collins S-line gear - but that's another story! 73 es hv fun -- Don N4HH,
K2/100 #2028, KAT100, K1 #1456, KX1, etc, etc!
S55M
2005-12-29 23:04:56 UTC
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I compared TS930 FT1KMP and my K2 3204

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HNY 2006 to all Elecraft fans!



Adi
S55M
9A8WW
Paul Webb
2005-12-29 23:05:57 UTC
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HI

I have a FT1000Mp Mk5 Field here that I have compared with the K2 many
times,
The Field is a great radio, with very nice audio for SSB work, my main
problem with it is the CW rx noise , it sounds like someone blowing over a
bottle top on the narrow filters, if I use the DSP it sounds better but
hollow. The K2 just sounds better for CW (IMHO) I can listen to the audio
from the K2 (or K1) for hours in the shack while im doing other tasks but
the audio from the Field is tiring after a short while, im sure the Field is
a very good radio for many folk but im just not using it , for that reason
its now up for sale and I have now bought another K2 , a K2/100 now that
sits next to the base QRP K2.
I have a switch box connected to the K2 and the Field, tuned both into the
same cw station and switched between the two, my wife who is not a radio ham
and can not read any Morse has been sat in front of the two doing a blind
test and she always chooses the K2 as the one that sounds "Nicer" .
Good luck with your choice.
73
Happy New Year
Paul
M0BMN
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Bill Coleman
2005-12-29 23:54:41 UTC
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Post by Larry - WA2DGD
The ts940 has been waiting for parts for over 3mos. and I was
considering replacing it.
I would like to know of other list members personal experiences
comparing the K2 receiver to either the Icom 756 pro series, the
Knwd TS2000 or most specifically, the Yaesu FT1000MP MKV Field.
You just can't beat the price / performance of the K2/100! The
FT1000MP series (plain, MkV, and MkV Field) are all great radios. Far
superior to the TS940. The TS2000 isn't that great an HF radio --
it's designed more for lots of buttons and VHF capability. The IC 756
Pro series are respectable rigs, but most contesters prefer the
FT1000MP.

I don't have any experience with the IC 756 Pro. I have used the
FT-1000D and every flavor of the 'MP.

All these rigs are going to be $3000 or so new. On the used market,
you can find the FT-1000MP (plain) for a bit less than you can buy
and build a new K2/100 with all the goodies.

Another rig to consider in this price range is the Ten-Tec Orion (and
Orion II).

Of course, your best bet is to buy a second K2! Barring that, I'd
recommend the Orion and then the FT-1000MP series.


Bill Coleman, AA4LR, PP-ASEL Mail: ***@arrl.net
Quote: "Not within a thousand years will man ever fly!"
-- Wilbur Wright, 1901
Paul Heller
2005-12-30 05:49:55 UTC
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Post by Larry - WA2DGD
Like most others on this list, I absolutely love my K2, and I also
have a second rig, kenwood ts-940sat.
The ts940 has been waiting for parts for over 3mos. and I was
considering replacing it.
I would like to know of other list members personal experiences
comparing the K2 receiver to either the Icom 756 pro series, the Knwd
TS2000 or most specifically, the Yaesu FT1000MP MKV Field.
If anyone has any personal experiences comparing the TS940s to the
above mentioned rigs, I'd like to hear if you think its even worth
replacing the 940s.
Besides my K2/100, I have two TS-940s with CW filters and a 756 Pro
III. I like them all, for different reasons. I operate from two
locations, and at one, the K2 is the main rig, and the ProIII is primary
at the other, with a TS-940 as backup at each location. All of my
operation is CW.

The TS-940s have served me well for almost two decades, and I can't
bring myself to sell them even though they're getting old enough that
they're starting to get a little cranky (lost the power supply in one,
which took out the finals, and the cooling fan has died in the other).

The ProIII is my 'city' rig - the DSP really does a great job on the
man-made hash at my urban location, and at that location it outperforms
the K2 on receive - the K2's DSP is OK, but not nearly as good on the
kind of urban spectrum pollution I have as the ProIII's. The ProIII's
spectrum scope is very useful, at least for seeing at a glance where the
pileups are, but while I really like it when I'm using the ProIII, I
don't miss it when I'm using the K2 ...

I'm not sure I can say for sure whether I like the K2/100 or the ProIII
the most - each has aspects that I really like. I haven't used the two
side-by-side much but at least in the country, I don't think there's
anything I can hear on one that I can't hear on the other, whether
chasing DX or working contests (in town, the ProIII definitely wins
because the way its DSP mashes down the noise).

To get back to your question about replacing the TS-940 ... if you can
get it working again, I'd keep it. It's a great rig, and unless you
have a special need, such as handling the kind of city hash I have in
town, spending $3K+ on a newer Japanese rig won't get you $3k worth of
improvement.


/Paul
W3PH

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